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Theorien jenseits der Standardphysik Sie haben Ihre eigene physikalische Theorie entwickelt? Oder Sie kritisieren bestehende Standardtheorien? Dann sind Sie hier richtig.

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Alt 12.06.18, 10:55
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Standard Combining the theories of Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mills

apologies for using english, please feel free to reply in german, google translate on chrome does an excellent job.

http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfb...3&p=8068#p8068

jay yablon is currently exploring kaluza-klein's 5D work (x, y, z, time, cylinder-loop) and he is working on the hypothesis that, actually, the 5th dimension (cylinder-loop) does not really exist, but that there is still definitely something going on where matter is definitely getting into an infinite loop, giving the *appearance* that there "must be" a 5th (looped) dimension.

the wikipedia page puts this in a non-obvious way, but gives some very very interesting clues:

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Kaluza's original hypothesis was purely classical and extended discoveries of general relativity. By the time of Klein's contribution, the discoveries of Heisenberg, Schrödinger, and de Broglie were receiving a lot of attention. Klein's Nature paper [4] suggested that the fifth dimension is closed and periodic, and that the identification of electric charge with motion in the fifth dimension be interpreted as standing waves of wavelength {\displaystyle \lambda ^{5}} \lambda ^{5}, much like the electrons around a nucleus in the Bohr model of the atom.
so the 5th dimension - the "kaluza miracle" - comes out to be exactly the electric charge of partlcles, and it's also *standing waves*.

...hold that thought...

here, jay has published another interesting draft:
http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfb...1&p=8071#p8071

and in that draft paper, jay comes to the insight that "electro-magnetism can be seen as "amplified gravitational interactions" because the mass has gone multiple times round the kaluza-klein fifth dimension".

which is a side-effect of his work which points out that there *is* no need for the 5th dimension: 4 dimensions (x,y,z, time) are sufficient... i do not entirely follow the details.

now, let's look at dr randall mill's work. mill's work is based on the hypothesis that particles comprise elliptically-polarised photons that have got into an infinite circular standing-wave loop. also that current loops project outwards again in circles, forming a perfect sphere that, fascinatingly, has a uniform current distribution (current magnitude at any one point is equal at all points on the sphere). also that the EM field is NON-RADIATING otherwise the energy would dissipate like a balloon (and there would be no particle).

what is the common theme between Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mill's work? they both require photons to be on an infinite circular loop in a standing wave pattern.

i would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts.
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Alt 13.06.18, 10:25
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Standard AW: Combining the theories of Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mills

You could try to discuss this matter at https://www.physicsforums.com/ .
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Alt 14.06.18, 15:51
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Standard AW: Combining the theories of Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mills

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You could try to discuss this matter at https://www.physicsforums.com/ .
unfortunately they ban, censor and prohibit discussion of "non-status-quo" theories.
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Alt 14.06.18, 16:38
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Did you check "Beyond the Standard Model Forum"?
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Alt 15.06.18, 02:36
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Standard AW: Combining the theories of Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mills

Zitat:
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Did you check "Beyond the Standard Model Forum"?
perhaps in the past couple of years, they got the message at last that censoring people is not a good idea! thank you.

(edit: ah, no, they have not):

https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...osting.178075/

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Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/thread...osting.178075/
so unfortunately, at 1750 pages containing 30 separate and distinct mathematically consistent well-written papers plus extensive appendices and tables, dr randall mill's work does not qualify under the censorship rules of the physicsforum.

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Did you check "Beyond the Standard Model Forum"?
also, timm, jay's work is preliminary and would also be censored by that forum.

so i am asking here, on this forum, because this forum does not engage in censorship.

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so i am asking here, on this forum, because this forum does not engage in censorship.
There are a few physicists around here, but I'm not sure if they are interested in this issue.
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Alt 15.06.18, 15:13
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now, let's look at dr randall mill's work.
Do you have a link to this work?
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Alt 15.06.18, 15:31
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also, timm, jay's work is preliminary and would also be censored by that forum.

so i am asking here, on this forum, because this forum does not engage in censorship.
It's perfectly ok for physicsforums to set the scope of the forum as they will. That's by no means censorship. Your constitutional right is that nobody keeps you from publishing or discussing whatever you like. It's not that anyboby is obliged to publish or discuss what you like.

We do accept discussion of fringe topics in this subforum. Please be aware that we enforce some scientific standards and netiquette. Also, topics may be closed after some time if no progress is visible.

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Alt 15.06.18, 21:11
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Standard AW: Combining the theories of Kaluza-Klein and Dr Randall Mills

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Please be aware that we enforce some scientific standards and netiquette.
Die Schriften von Jay R. Yablon sind zumindest einen Blick wert, wie die folgenden zwei Links zeigen:
https://jayryablon.wordpress.com/
https://jayryablon.files.wordpress.c...auza-klein.pdf

Das pdf enthält eine übersichtliche Darstellung des Kaluza-Klein-Modells.

Zum Autor gibt es hier ein paar Informationen:
https://jayryablon.wordpress.com/200...hysics-weblog/
https://jayryablon.wordpress.com/about-the-author/
Es handelt sich also um einen Patentanwalt, der mal Physik studiert hat.
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